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Hey Andy, What can we do?
« on: March 28, 2023, 18:35:59 pm »
I wasn't all that impressed with CamBam when I first tried it, but its grown on me.  Its a daily use tool in my shop now.  I've recommended it many times over the years and I know for a fact there are some who bought a license based on my recommendation.  They told me so. 

What can we do to get you interested in working on it a bit more? 

We all have features we would like to have, and of course some are addressed by user written plug-ins, but some stuff can only be done at the source level. 

To be frank with the long list of bugs a major bug fix release would be a huge step forward for me.  Calculation errors (some quite serious) and creating tool paths that destroy parts or tools in large step over finishes or an operation with a max crossover smaller than the step over is a big deal for me personally, but there is a long list of bugs.  A bug fix release or maybe a series of small bug fix releases would do a lot for the future of CamBam in my opinion. 

What can we do? 
Getting started on CNC?  In or passing through my area?
If I have the time I'll be glad to show you a little in my shop. 

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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2023, 18:13:27 pm »
No comments from other users here, I guess many are afraid to visit the forum because of the certificate issues.

Frankly speaking, I was not impressed by what Andy demonstrated in the video to which Eddy posted a link here. But everyone has the right to choose what to do and what not to do.
I have the feeling of being somewhat betrayed.
And can't explain to myself why, after so much effort and labour had been put into making CamBam a working program, with great potential for expansion and automation, it seems to be abandoned.

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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2023, 18:39:45 pm »
To be fair CamBam is a rather complex program.  It may simply be that there is to much for one person to go back through and fix. 

It can also be tough to compete with drug dealers like AutoDesk/Fusion360. 

I admit I have been looking at other solutions.  Not because I do not want to continue to work with CamBam.  I like the work flow (generally) with CamBam and I have found functional if time consuming work arounds to some of the most egregious bugs.  I'd just like to see those bugs fixed so I don't have to spend dozens if not hundreds of hours over ensuing years working around them.  I am used to the CamBam, and it does a lot of what I need it to.  I'm sure I would continue to complain about features it doesn't have, but a comprehensive set of bug fixes would be HUGE.

You know it wasn't all that long ago when most information websites didn't use a security certificate at all.  Even my shopping cart only handed off to a secure server for payment processing. 
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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2023, 11:38:04 am »
The security certificate is fixed.  11 days...
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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2023, 16:21:53 pm »
Not sure I can add any more to what has already been said but just felt I'd add my 2 cents anyway for what it's worth. I'm nowhere near as invested in CB as many of the site regulars here, but have several years and many CB programs that I use. To me, the cost of the software is a pittance compared to invested time learning and using the software.

I selected CB because it was recommended to me by a member of this forum and have since received invaluable help from the members of this forum. I have promoted it to many as being an excellent value, and many of them started by lurking here and of late, sadly have concluded it is unsupported software and would be a risk.

People's interest change over time and if Andy has moved on, that's understandable, but it seems to me that given the considerable effort CB's development must have been, and the interest's of the customer base, why let it fade into obscurity from lack of attention? Why not sell it or pass it on to someone that could continue to develop it and support the owner/user community?

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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2023, 17:02:53 pm »
Hello

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I have promoted it to many as being an excellent value, and many of them started by lurking here and of late, sadly have concluded it is unsupported software and would be a risk.

Yes, and this kind of post is unlikely to fix things and it scare away even more people.  ::)

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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2023, 18:07:35 pm »
Maybe most people are just happy with what it is and what it does. I have been using it for years and have never "wished" it would do something. I use it at a hobby level and it does what I ask. There are times when I have trouble with some 3D paths but it was maybe 3 times in 10 years. Fix a few bugs and i'm a happy guy.

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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2023, 21:56:33 pm »
Hello

At least we know that a V1.1 is in the pipe, what I don't know is what is the length of a week for Andy  ;D

https://cambamcnc.com/forum/index.php?topic=8515.msg67829#msg67829

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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2023, 01:12:58 am »
...Yes, and this kind of post is unlikely to fix things and it scare away even more people.  ::) ++David

All due respect David, but I didn't start this thread and I don't think this post is the source such concerns. Anyone considering software purchases checks out the user community and activity level on the help forums and if it is thinly traveled, crashed, and they cant join, I dont think reading this thread will be the operative factor in making their assessment.

Hello, At least we know that a V1.1 is in the pipe, what I don't know is what is the length of a week for Andy  ;D

https://cambamcnc.com/forum/index.php?topic=8515.msg67829#msg67829

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....and that's great but nearly three years ago without an update or comment. Writing CAM code is quite the task and longer time lines between rev understandable, but forum maintenance not so much.

I'm happy with the forum support I have received, and as already mentioned think CB is a great value but perceptions of prospective customers go beyond that.

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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2023, 01:56:49 am »
Hello

I agree, lack of communication is definitely a problem :(

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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2023, 14:40:51 pm »
Maybe most people are just happy with what it is and what it does. I have been using it for years and have never "wished" it would do something. I use it at a hobby level and it does what I ask. There are times when I have trouble with some 3D paths but it was maybe 3 times in 10 years. Fix a few bugs and i'm a happy guy.

The same here. But still it would be nice to see some new additions and improvements..
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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2023, 20:41:01 pm »
Maybe most people are just happy with what it is and what it does. I have been using it for years and have never "wished" it would do something. I use it at a hobby level and it does what I ask. There are times when I have trouble with some 3D paths but it was maybe 3 times in 10 years. Fix a few bugs and i'm a happy guy.

Okay.  Nothing wrong with that point of view.  Why does that mean there is something wrong with my point of view?  It doesn't.  I respect your point of view, but that does not negate my own. 

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I have promoted it to many as being an excellent value, and many of them started by lurking here and of late, sadly have concluded it is unsupported software and would be a risk.

Yes, and this kind of post is unlikely to fix things and it scare away even more people.  ::)

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What I asked when I started this thread was, "What can we do?" 

Maybe most people are just happy with what it is and what it does. I have been using it for years and have never "wished" it would do something. I use it at a hobby level and it does what I ask. There are times when I have trouble with some 3D paths but it was maybe 3 times in 10 years. Fix a few bugs and i'm a happy guy.

I run across issues with 3d paths all the time, and I documented some of them right here on this forum. 
Getting started on CNC?  In or passing through my area?
If I have the time I'll be glad to show you a little in my shop. 

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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2023, 21:44:15 pm »
Hello

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What I asked when I started this thread was, "What can we do?" 

A "sit in" in front of Andy's door  ;D ;D

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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2023, 03:23:35 am »
I purchased my first CNC router machine in 2010 and for software bought a bundle of CamBam and Mach3. I used Eagle software to design schematics and PCB layouts, Illustrator to clean up and add to layouts, export as dxf files to import into CamBam for defining toolpaths. By the end of 2011 I was having relative success producing both prototype PC boards and aluminum chassis parts. By around 2013 I had to shut down because I had no shop, sold the rudimentary CNC machine and continued to work on designs for circuits using Eagle software.

In 2018 I bought a much better CNC machine and began working on chassis layouts again, this time using a trial version of Fusion 360, soon upgraded to a license based on Eagle being bought by AutoDesk and there being a bundle that included Fusion 360 for small businesses at a cost of $130 (Cdn) a year. I felt it was worth trying out at that point, even though my vintage tube audio designs didn't require anywhere close to the complexity of Fusion 360. That's the challenge for me, I have very low parts counts, yet am restricted to small board sizes under my "Standard" Eagle license, and, as fancy as the interface was/is in Fusion 360 for designing sheet metal projects and then kicking out gcode, the CAM portion didn't produce code that worked as well as CamBam did 10 years earlier.

After 3 years of using Fusion 360, all of a sudden the annual special disappeared, without notice - as well as without the payment processor or frontline Autodesk administration even knowing the subscription had disappeared - it took a full two months of just thinking it was a payment processing issue, before someone finally figured out the subscription had been unceremoniously removed for small businesses. Not the end of the world, because I still had my CamBam license and a Windows PC, and CB had been upgraded since I last used it. I ran some tests, noting very sluggish performance - can't recall what I did to fix that, but did get it working very peppy and I redefined my workflow. That was a little over a year ago and I've been too tied up with other production issues to get back to work on creating gcode for the CNC machine. Today, I booted up the PC again and checked out CamBam and it's back to working very sluggishly - takes up to about 10 seconds, sometimes more, to recognize that I'm trying to move something or just zoom the view in or out. I'll have to check that out, which is why I went to this forum today... only to find this thread talking about what sounds like a potential end to a software package that I figured fit my workflow very well. I too have recommended it to many who do similar work to mine, over the past decade. It would be very sad to see it reach "end of life".

Sorry for the long winded response, but I felt it was useful to show the path that I've taken with the software. I've been a beta tester for pretty much all of the software that was part of the 80s "desktop publishing" revolution with the Mac computer and Postscript printers, and spent about 10 years providing high end support and consulting to graphics and print companies moving into using electronic prepress, and then moved into art reproductions involving not only printing them, but capturing images with scanners and high end digital cameras. I've witnessed the beginnings and ends of every software package written for creative processes since 1985.

In conclusion, and response to "What can we do?", I say this. I was used to spending Cdn$130 a year for Fusion 360 with its implentation (or absorbtion) of Eagle software. I've gone back to an old version of Eagle, pre-AutoDesk, but need software like CamBam to do what I do. Without knowing what the challenges actually are with the seeming stalling of CamBam development and communication, it's hard to say what I could or would be willing to do. Most obvious is, if cashflow is the problem, I would offer that, as much as I hate mandated subscriptions, I have been supporting an open source audio program with monthy payments of Cdn$5 for the last decade - and I don't even use that software any more, but feel that it's good software and deserves to be supported. So, I would be perfectly fine with paying about $100Cdn a year to keep CamBam going, based on how much I need to use it. There are over 5000 members on this forum, but many may be hobbyists or very part time users. I know I paid what I felt was a fair price for my initial bundle in 2010, can't recall if there's been any other fee for upgrade since, but the software has good value to me, now. When is the last time someone communicated with Andy?

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Re: Hey Andy, What can we do?
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2023, 11:22:21 am »
Lapsteel,
You've got some other problem on your system that is causing CB to 'lug'.  It works fine on healthy systems.  I'm running it on both XP and Win10 with no problems.

So far as 'end of life', if you read the whole thread, you'll see that David has mentioned a V1.1 'in the pipeline'.  He just doesn't know what Andy's schedule is.

This is a resourceful group of folks.  We'll figure out how to keep the software alive, even if we cannot keep the product offering alive, through plug-ins, work-arounds, and the like.

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