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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2013, 23:04:01 pm »
CamBam doesn't copy that field from the tool library to the MOP with the diameter, etc.  That's why the V-Engrave mop has a V Angle setting, as well as a tip diameter, which doesn't exist in the tool library at all. Getting the tip diameter entered correctly is quite important for actual engraving.

I might be able to find the item i the tool library and try to duplicate the base logic for when to use tool library values instead of a local value, but that gets rather complicated.

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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2013, 23:27:32 pm »
By 'tip diameter' do you men the tip flat, i.e. the width of the flat at the tip of the bit? By saying 'diameter' you are likely to cause confusion as there re tapered ball end mills that do have a tip diameter, i.e. the diameter of the ball end.

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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2013, 23:29:57 pm »
But, Jeff, the discussion is "V-Engrave Plugin".  I haven't yet mastered Vee engraving with ball-end mills! <G>

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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2013, 01:41:08 am »
It is unfortunate not to have seen the two files that I attached.
Your file "TestVEngrave6.cb" is wrong.

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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2013, 02:50:37 am »
But, Jeff, the discussion is "V-Engrave Plugin".  I haven't yet mastered Vee engraving with ball-end mills! <G>

Lloyd


That is my point Lloyd. Using the term 'diameter' when talking about the tip flat is confusing.

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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2013, 06:47:58 am »
By 'tip diameter' do you men the tip flat, i.e. the width of the flat at the tip of the bit? By saying 'diameter' you are likely to cause confusion as there re tapered ball end mills that do have a tip diameter, i.e. the diameter of the ball end.

The engraving bits I see for sale with different shoulder angles all have a diameter at the point, not a flat.
A flat seems to be counter intuitive for engraving to me and less useful.
Where to they come from the engravers with a flat?
Don

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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2013, 11:02:23 am »
Jeff,
That's why we refer to ball-end mills by 'tip radius', and the flats on v-engravers as 'tip diameter'.  'least... that's the way I was always taught to differentiate them.

Don,
"A flat seems to be counter intuitive for engraving to me and less useful.
Where to they come from the engravers with a flat?"

Most two-flute types have a 'drill bit-like' face, not unlike that of twist drill or an end mill.  It's not truly a flat -- It's really two 'wings' that cause a circular flat-milled surface when touched to the work.  The face-ends of the two flutes are beveled and sharpened.  Don't ask ME how they work a flute that small!  I'm still trying to figure out 10-mil diameter carbide twist drills! <G>


All my good carbide v-mills are like that.  I have not a single one with a radiused tip.  You can get the carbide Vees all the way down to tip diameters of 2-mils.  The smaller they are, the easier they are to break, of course.  I won't even handle mine anywhere but on a rubber work pad.  Even a 2" drop to a metal surface might chip that little point.

Oh... for reasons cited earlier... don't buy the cheap off-shore cutters.  I get the best I can muster when I'm working with diameters that small.  A couple of mils runout on a cutter 2 mils in diameter is 100%!


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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2013, 17:12:49 pm »
Finally got out to the shop to make some chips.  The engraving (using one of Jeff's fabulous 2-flute carbide cutters), came out beautifully.  Still a little tripoli compound on there.  That stuff is hard to get off!
« Last Edit: September 19, 2013, 05:51:20 am by pstemari »

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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2013, 05:54:02 am »
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Your file "TestVEngrave6.cb" is wrong.

What's wrong with the file, Armando?  The dot on the exclamation point wasn't cut in the previous build, but the current one fixes that issue.

I looked at the screenshot you posted earlier, but as I said, the plugin doesn't current try to get the v-angle from the tool library.


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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2013, 12:04:49 pm »
On "Mach3CVEngrave.cbpp" there are two macro of command.
The first command "TOOL/CHAMFER" activates the library CutViewer.
In the second command "TOOL/CHAMFER" puts the tool parameters.
The parameters are:
        TOOL/CHAMFER,{$tool.diameter},{$tool.veeangle},{$tool.length}

On CamBam you have to create a tool !
The tool V is a cone, the cone base is the diameter of the tool.
The cone base up to the tip and over the tool shank you have the total length.
You add a profile VCutter.
And finally add a command of macro "Vee Angle".

    Armando

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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2013, 16:13:31 pm »
Ok, I'm still confused.

The post-processor you posted adds comments to the g-code that CutViewer will use to get the tool geometry for its simulation.  That doesn't have any effect on the tool path or what your machine tool will do.  Mostly it saves you from having to re-entry the tool information into CutViewer.

Unfortunately CutViewer's notion of the tool geometry is more suited to chamfer mills than engraving cutters.  It uses the chamfer angle and the height of the chamfered part of the mill.  That length is 1/2*(tool dia-tip dia) * tan(90 deg - 1/2*v-angle).  AFAIK you can't readily do that math in the post-processor macros, but I've never played with the post-processors very much.

At any rate, none of that has any impact on the MOP or the toolpath.  Is there some problems with the MOP that I should fix or a feature you'd like to have?

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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2013, 21:36:36 pm »
Hello,

I'm writing a little doc about your plugin for French forums, and I just find a little bug maybe linked with the old issue #7

When we disable a V_carve MOP (by menu or space bar), instead of a gray icon, we get an green arc icon.

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David

Edit: the link to the French doc.
http://www.atelier-des-fougeres.fr/Cambam/Aide/cam/Plugin_VEngrave.htm
« Last Edit: October 13, 2013, 00:00:12 am by dh42 »

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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2013, 01:24:28 am »
Well, that's weird.  I'm guessing I need a gray version of the icon and an appropriately magic name.

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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2013, 18:37:22 pm »
I just bought CamBam since my 40 uses were up and I like it.
I'm getting this error with stock setting with text and random bits of geometry.

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Re: V-Engrave Plugin
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2013, 19:06:14 pm »
I got it!
I guess my version of CamBam was 9.0 and not 9.8.